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Azuarc
Joined: 18 Jul 2006 Posts: 1389 Location: Philadelphia
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Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 7:48 pm Post subject: Caveman Rejoice and similar songs |
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One song I'm finding remarkably difficult for a reason that most of you probably shrug off is Caveman Rejoice. When I come to the ubiquitous RB-GY-RB pattern, my fingers simply do not want to behave. This sort of motion also gives me issues on other songs, whether it's exactly the same, or merely similar -- I managed to master the fingering in Farewell Myth, but most of the songs with a pattern like that just drive me nuts.
Any recommendations for conditioning my fingers, or anyone else have this trouble? |
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dspoonrt
Joined: 20 Feb 2006 Posts: 2449 Location: Columbus, OH
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Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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If sliding your fingers isn't working, I suggest doing what JHetfield has suggested in many topics such as this one. Try "snapping" your fingers down on each chord to make sure you get each one. It's really amazing what a concentrated effort will do for your score. I do a mix between a slide and a snap and I get the chords 98% of the time.
As for other songs like it, I also have extreme trouble with the transitions of GY RB YO GY GR GY in No One Knows and even the GY RB YO chords in the long parts in COTC. Can't really help ya there, but I'd also like to know how some people get those every time. _________________
Check out my songs on GHTunes for GH:WT (Xbox 360):
"Power Surge," "Funk You," "Grindsaw Groove," and "DisorderlyConduct"
- all charted by dspoonrt
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Huwonk
Joined: 26 May 2006 Posts: 2432 Location: Marysville, Ohio
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Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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I find the most important thing on Caveman Rejoice is to prepare early for the RB GY RB part. That has helped my accuracy immensely. _________________
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rabies
Joined: 04 Apr 2006 Posts: 2442 Location: Columbia, Maryland
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Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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are you trying to play it by using fingers 1 and 3 for the GY chords and then 2 and 4 for the RB chords?
If so..that will be very difficult. my suggestion would be as dspoonrt suggests...play the whole riff using fingers 1 and 3..and just slide up and down the neck as you would on a real guitar. Then the riff is easy. |
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Cliff
Joined: 06 May 2006 Posts: 3002 Location: Springfield, IL
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Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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rabies wrote: | are you trying to play it by using fingers 1 and 3 for the GY chords and then 2 and 4 for the RB chords?
If so..that will be very difficult. my suggestion would be as dspoonrt suggests...play the whole riff using fingers 1 and 3..and just slide up and down the neck as you would on a real guitar. Then the riff is easy. |
I play as such:
GY RB YO
13 13 24
And I hit the chords nearly every time. I just don't like to have my pinky hitting no buttons, except in BATM's solo. |
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buMf00d
Joined: 21 May 2006 Posts: 863 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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i used to have trouble doing this, but now it's just automatic really, am not having too much trouble with these chord transitions i just try to keep my hand in the same position and slide my finger over the buttons. |
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Azuarc
Joined: 18 Jul 2006 Posts: 1389 Location: Philadelphia
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Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 12:26 am Post subject: |
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I've tried both sliding and "snapping"...snapping, if I interpret it correctly, was what got me through Farewell Myth, but it isn't helping here. However, I haven't been able to slide this successfully. Sliding one finger is one thing, but sliding two is another where the GH controller is concerned. If I was sliding lengthwise along a real guitar string, that would be a different issue, but slapping down different buttons that run (sorta) orthogonal doesn't seem to work with sliding chords for me. =(
Huwonk - what do you mean by prepare early? I know when it's coming, so it's not like it's catching me off-guard. |
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random
Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 59
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Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 2:08 am Post subject: |
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I play this with fingers 1 and 3, and move. I don't slide, but I'm not sure if I'd call it snapping, either. What helped me (and maybe what Huwonk means by prepare early) is to fret the chords a bit early, but strum them right on time (or even late).
It's hard at first to separate the strum timing from the fret timing, but I found I was able to start thinking "early" without making my strum any earlier. If anything, make the strum later, as there's a fair amount of slop allowed as long as it's fretted correctly before strumming. Sometimes, I practice thinking "wait til I feel the chord" before strumming, which has also helped in many cases.
I feel like the natural reaction to missing one of these chords is to think you were late, and strum it earlier next time, which probably just makes it worse. Now I often get results by strumming slower than seems right, just so I know my fret hand can get in position on time. These are just ideas that helped me, hopefully one of them will click with you. |
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upchuck55
Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 9
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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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lift off of the pointer finger note also. This will help your mind to separate the chords as completely different actions. |
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HylianHero
Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 4673 Location: Santa Cruz, CA
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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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I always do what JHetfield said to do and "snap". After the chord, bring your fingers up, move them a fret over, and put them down.
It sounds simple and it sounds like it doesn't help, but trust me. It helps a LOT. _________________
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Huwonk
Joined: 26 May 2006 Posts: 2432 Location: Marysville, Ohio
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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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Azuarc wrote: | I've tried both sliding and "snapping"...snapping, if I interpret it correctly, was what got me through Farewell Myth, but it isn't helping here. However, I haven't been able to slide this successfully. Sliding one finger is one thing, but sliding two is another where the GH controller is concerned. If I was sliding lengthwise along a real guitar string, that would be a different issue, but slapping down different buttons that run (sorta) orthogonal doesn't seem to work with sliding chords for me. =(
Huwonk - what do you mean by prepare early? I know when it's coming, so it's not like it's catching me off-guard. |
I never ever miss the main riff and I play the chords just like Cliff described (Index and Ring finger on GY and RB, and Middle and Pinky for YO)..
The main riff goes:
GY-GY RB-GY-RB
In between the GY and RB, I shift my hand up before the notes come, that way I can make the down shift a little easier rather than frantically jumping back and forth. I don't know if that makes sense. As soon as I hit the 2nd note, I shift right up to RB so I can hit the next series without a hitch.
As far as snapping goes, the best example of how to use that is on the song Guitar Hero right before the solo with all of those stupid chord shifts. I have to snap my fingers down for each chord or else I miss the shift. _________________
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ES942
Joined: 02 Mar 2006 Posts: 3445 Location: Snalbans
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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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this was my problem with psychobilly freakout.
try switching form RB to YO in quarter notes repeatedly at 216 bpm (close to it) |
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Azuarc
Joined: 18 Jul 2006 Posts: 1389 Location: Philadelphia
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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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ES942 wrote: | this was my problem with psychobilly freakout.
try switching form RB to YO in quarter notes repeatedly at 216 bpm (close to it) |
umm...ugh? If it's consistently just a switch between those two, though, at least you could position your fingers on the split and just wiggle back and forth. |
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ES942
Joined: 02 Mar 2006 Posts: 3445 Location: Snalbans
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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 11:07 pm Post subject: |
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i wasn't smart enough to do both with 1 + 3 at the time. i kept trying to do 1 + 3 and 2 + 4, but it didn't work. |
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JHetfield0816
Joined: 10 Apr 2006 Posts: 2230 Location: New Jersey
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Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 12:38 am Post subject: |
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HylianHero wrote: | I always do what JHetfield said to do and "snap". After the chord, bring your fingers up, move them a fret over, and put them down.
It sounds simple and it sounds like it doesn't help, but trust me. It helps a LOT. |
Yeah...like the principal behind it I've found is this:
If you're missing on a part like this, and you're not "snapping" your fingers down....this happens because when you don't articulate and snap your fingers onto the fret buttons in this case, and it means that you're most likely just "sliding" along the fretboard without lifting away from it at all. This technique can be useful in some cases, but the sliding can also result in reaching the next chord too early with your left hand, which in turn results in your right hand strumming too early because you think you've reached the next chord at the correct time. If you "snap" your fingers down instead on a part where you have trouble...it ensures that you won't screw up the rhythm, even when you think you had it right before. Hope that makes sense. _________________
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